The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. They will also slap down lighter game like deer, feral hogs and black bear with authority, of course. Mag. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. Today we have better bullets than when I was a kid. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. in the Big Bore Model 94. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. Posts: 46,063. So we see that even with a one pound lighter rifle, the .358 recoils slightly less than a .300 magnum. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. Powders such as IMRs Trail Boss, Accurates 5744 and IMRs discontinued SR-4759 all work with lighter bullets, and sometimes accuracy is very good, even if the gas seal is not. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. The main problem with such potent cartridges is that they kick hard in rifles light enough to carry all day in steep places. Here in North America big game starts with deer. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy. Rifle Recoil Table. Somehow, years ago, I got the notion that it is not prudent to be opening the bolt face of a 700 from standard (270W) to magnum (358N). There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. I could get brass easy from each by forming parent cases, 308 and 30-06. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. The H-4895 load given in the table is not from any manual but was worked up with the assistance of Hodgdon ballistician Ron Reiber. Subscriber Services. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Shorter and more common than the magnum-length receiver needed for the .375 and .300 Holland & Holland Magnum, the Winchester Model 70s and Remington Model 721s gave a new level of performance when chambered for the new magnums. .50 BMG. These are elk cartridges, and as Jack Atcheson Jr. likes to say, the .338 numbs them. The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. However, the majority of American deer hunters dont live in elk country, but many dream of going elk hunting. On a 600 pound animal like a big bull elk the optimum game range of the .308 (180 grain bullet at a MV of 2610 fps) is a useful 175 yards. Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. The trouble is, they didnt sell. From left: (1) .35 Remington, (2) .358 Winchester and (3) .358 Norma Magnum. A medium variable in the 3-9X or 2.5-10X range should be enough scope for elk hunting. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. of energy at the muzzle. Norma loads their 250-grain Oryx bullet to this velocity, and as the rear portion of the bullet is bonded, it will give an excellent blend of expansion and penetration. All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. Today, rifles can be made very light, but that can also be overdone because light rifles are whippy and hard to control when youre out of breath and have to settle in for a quick shot. It was recovered in bits and pieces. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. .358 Norma N/A Centerfire Rifle Ammo For Sale at Classic Firearms Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. I did kill a ton of squirels with pistol bullets and a little 700X, it would shoot little cloverleafs at 50 yrds. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? In Johanssons case, disdain for serious training left him vulnerable when the superbly conditioned Patterson came back a year later, gave him a dazzling boxing lesson and reclaimed the title. Rifle Recoil Table - CHUCKHAWKS.COM Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. A cross-section of loads for the .358 Norma Magnum include the (1) Sierra 125-grain JHP, (2) Sierra 170 FMJ, (3) Speer 180, (4) 200-grain cast bullet and a (5) Sierra 200 roundnose. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. Its safe to say that of all the .358 Norma Magnum rifles in existence, there are more custom than factory ones, and this makes it tricky to load for in another way. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. Around eight pounds set to go is a good compromise. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. Short of a wounded elephant or Cape buffalo in thick cover, there is no game I can think of for which you could not concoct a load in the .358. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. In 1968 the 600 Magnum was replaced by the Model 660 Magnum, which featured a 20-inch barrel, but it was never a big seller, and Remington dropped the rifles. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. Bottles & 12-oz. Still have a 9.3 (so I guess it "won"). Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. Whelen's Northwoods Trails 35 caliber site - 35 Whelen, 358 Winchester Thats a question I just dont understand. Essentially the .338 Winchester Magnum necked up to hold .358-inch bullets, the .358 Norma Magnum made all sorts of sense to a hunter in pursuit of large game, such as elk, moose and the great bears of the north. Then come the .270s. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. I rely on, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. If we compare the .300 Win. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . from my E.R. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. compare 338/06 vs 338 win, and 35 whelen vs 358 norma vs 358 alaskan (stw) loaded to same pressure. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. In 1987 Remington made an honest cartridge out of the .35 Whelen. 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This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. Where does the .358 Norma sit, in comparison to the more popular cartridges in its class? This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. Campfire 'Bwana. Spl. For anyone with an experimental or fanciful turn of mind, the .358 Norma and the many .358-inch diameter bullets are a gold mine. Mag. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. An elk offers a large target, so extreme magnification shouldnt be necessary. The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. The Heavyweight .358 Norma | Handloader Magazine The fortunate few who own them want to keep them, and these are the core admirers who make it worth Normas while to continue offering brass and loaded ammunition. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. The big issue with the .350 Rigby Magnum is the lack of available ammunition. It is, as you say, a thumper. But in those countries where the lighter cartridges are legal for the cats, the .350 Rigby Magnum is just about perfect. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. Mag. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. PerH AH fanatic Joined May 8, 2021 Messages 536 Reaction score 813 Location Norway Articles 2 Jun 4, 2021 #5 In the entry on the .358 Norma, it maintains that, had Norma convinced a major American riflemaker to offer the chambering in the early years, it could have become one of the greats. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. I'm sending my 270 tikka off to JES rebore to get it punched out to 35 whelen. Quite a difference! The .318 Westley Richards was a highly popular choice at that time, and it drives a 250-grain bullet of .330-inch diameter, with a SD of 0.328, and the .375 Holland & Holland uses a 300-grain bullet of nominal diameter with a SD of 0.305; both are renowned for their penetration. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. In addition, for stopping the big predators of the world, it's hard to beat a suitable .35 caliber rifle. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. First, it will do everything the .338 will, and a bit more. Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? How it would have done on a live animal is impossible to say. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. They can take their time and pick their shots. The .35 Rem. It never got up. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. Have all three, and have not shot any of em My medium is a 9,3x62. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. Its also worth noting that, in spite of its relative obscurity, the cartridge appears in many of the most recent loading manuals, including Normas own, a worthwhile addition to anyones reloading library. Out of stock View Details . Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. These were, primarily, the Schultz & Larsen (Denmark), the Husqvarna (Sweden) and a few Browning High Powers made by FN in Belgium. You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. Give a Gift Where the .338 Winchester drives its 250-grain bullet to 2650 fps, the .358 Norma beats that figure by 100 fps or so, delivering over 4,200 ft.-lbs. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. If the .35 Rem. Ive obviously left the door wide open. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. a good brush buster and good to 300 yards. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. Many western hunters annually take elk with 6mms and .25s. 358 Win vs 35 Whelen | Graybeard Outdoors Recoil was completely manageable, and it inspired me to begin the journey of having my own .350 Rigby rifle built. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. from the 24" barrel of a Marlin 336XLR rifle. exlcusive user. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. Behind the Bullet: .358 Norma Magnum - An Official Journal Of The NRA In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. was simply a .308 Win. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. While most of the .35 caliber rifle cartridges are powerful medium bore numbers designed for use on large (CXP3) game like elk and moose, the most popular .35 caliber rifle cartridge is the .35 Remington. But they are not essential, and despite their effectiveness, all magnums from .30 caliber upwards generate more recoil than many folks are comfortable withand are able to shoot well. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. Norma Oryx .35 Whelen 250gr | Norma

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