We'd love to have you in the queue. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. John. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. Yes. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. Rick van de Poll: Yes. For all the men out there that don't realize it. Do they travel. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 And you know all that. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. So. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. They are the same thing. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Thank you. That's next time on one day. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? - WMUR We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. I didn't see him online. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. 1957. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. Seems reasonable! NH Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate reports that so far, mountain lion reports accompanied byphotographs have been misidentified bobcats or housecats, or pictures of mountain lions taken from the Internet and reported as being recorded in New Hampshire. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part I I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. Does not test random Scouts. So they're scary. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. Mountain Lion Population (In Each U.S. State) - Wildlife Informer Just. Gap Mountain Lions Club What do you think that. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. Yes. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. Like why would you want one wildlife. Right. I mean it wasn't your idea. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. You're on the air. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. But if you were to get Western dispersing mountain lions just would just sort of expanding into New Hampshire. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. Phone number 1 800. Share. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. So what counts as verifiable evidence? It's listed as population of least concern. And the cougar embodies that. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. John thanks. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. Give today. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. Chartered: 1973 . I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. There was no sign of it. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests Infinite Scroll Enabled. So that did it for me. Something along those lines. It doesn't happen as much anymore. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. Thanks for a great thanks. Are there mountain lions in New Hampshire? : r/newhampshire - reddit You saw what you saw. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. Windham Life and Times - November 15, 2019 So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". 44-N Links. Can you tell us about that story. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. You know interactions are pretty unusual. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. That's too big for Bobcat. I'm Peter B yellow. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. NH Wildlife News and Info | NH Wildlife Why do people keep seeing mountain lions (which aren't here) but not Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. I just want to tell you a story that I read. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020, We also hear excerpts from an interview with, Read about the most recent cougar "sightings". David Erler says some of them probably have. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. 1,470 likes. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. They absolutely do. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. No that's a little bit outside the range. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN She is renowned for tracking. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. So what those ranges. Let's look for other evidence. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. Mountain Lion in New Hampshire? - Bowsite.com Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II 'Like we did as kids': Horse makes snow angels with her owner in New Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. What's going on. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. And why would they what. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. Your support makes this news available to everyone. This is the exchange. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. Part II. Early in the morning. Your support makes this news available to everyone. And those are not the same things. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. While State Denies Mtn Lions are in NH, Numerous Sightings Say Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR How many mountain lions are in New Hampshire? - AnswersAll Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. And they were using all the habitat. Mountain Lions in New England: Sightings, Science & Bobcat vs Mountain Lion No doubt in my mind it was. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. New Hampshire Public Radio | And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. So do they. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult.

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